Dave, you were asking how this all came up ... here at last is some of that gurgling discussion: 
Comments are following from Garnet Gurlz's Zingers, Wednesday, June 17 , Israel's Rights vs. "Cast Out the Bondwoman" ?
"In recent days, we've learned that Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu has agreed to a limited Palestinian state. (I myself was taken aback somewhat when I read this, as Mr. Netanyahu has been repeatedly described as 'hawkish'... [Read the whole article HERE] "
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June 27, 2009 4:05 PM MooPig_Wisdom said... [in comments]
"Which seems to have arrived..."
Ya' think???
"..there may be more time than we think, and it may be that events transpire in a manner other than what we have heretofore believed, or thought..."
Ya' suppose??
..." and since what they stood for was old Covenant, and the physical Promised Land description resides in old Covenant 'territory' language...",
[...]
At this point in your essay I am asking myself... "Has anyone ever asked the question: 'Why do we still today live side by side with third world tribal people?'" [mostly asking this because for instance -- evangelizing Spaniards intervening with those 3rd worlds destroyed them entirely .. with sexually transmutations of a mass destruction level event...] It would be better to never contact those folks... just provide clinics or something...
"dispensationalism... as reducing the Gospel of the grace of God in Christ to an ideology of empire and militarism. It rejects the teachings of Christian Zionism where they facilitate such action and attitude."
My understanding of 'Dispensational' [more or less] it is a method of understanding historical happenings.. good or bad. It sort of objectifies our path to 'Salvation.'.. no? as in what you wrote: "...We are urged to pursue the 'healing of the nations' through the 'gospel of universal love, redemption and reconciliation taught by Jesus Christ.'"
Finished Reading: As usual -- excellent writing and I am third world next to your pen-sive self...
I have two ideas in my head in the back files of the back forty:
1) Jesus is at this very moment a 'anticipatory' groom, he is to return to be married... and in Hebrew tradition, a groom never knows when he will be sent by His Father to go collect his Bride.. so the tension has Jesus chomping at His bit... so to speak.
2) As I look about I equate "end times" as not any end to anything... God is eternal... no? So, how can we expect end times? Are we able to make this decision in our present circumstance, when we cannot even decide on a reasonable timeline? ...; I prefer to look at God's Nature... almost every form of life, goes through transformation, transfiguration, or metamorphosis in its travail toward "meaning and hope.." So too we go? So we are changed too... and placed in New Jerusalem?
3) [did I say two? sorry] And when God the Father Almighty "chose" the Hebrews, my understanding is that is because Hebrews were an obnoxious rabble of rastafarian, self-willed, trouble makers, and Hedonist complainers... though hardworking, that "if God could organize and turn this rabble group to Him... then all the people of earth shall find their way back to Him; ABBA...
4) [ibid] and only when all the peoples of earth have heard the Good News of Jesus Christ, then shall He return... as a Groom that is.
Holy Cow -- who rattled my cage?
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June 28, 2009 10:48 AM Christina replied... [in comments]
In response to my words preceding "Ya' suppose??" -
Having no proof whatsoever, I've pretty much always felt that the 'Rapture' concept may not be the way things go down. Two close Christian friends from my past, w/o me ever mentioning this, both said the same thing. And, on TV, Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel, Ark. expressed such belief,years back. So...that one verse, about being 'caught up' has morphed into a whole culture practically. (But of course, I do not know the truth for sure.)
Re/your 3rd.comment - somewhere around here I have a book abt Columbus, the New World, etc. & that point was made, how disease was brought to these lands. Which had never occurred to me b4.
As to your two (4!) final comments -
#1 - what a way to see Jesus now! This also would never have occurred to me.
#2 - 'end times' - one of the two above-mentioned friends told me that he believed that 'end times' refers to the actual end of the influence of law. Grace will reign. I am right there with that one! (You can see why satan would fight so hard to keep law in all forms operative.)
#3 - "I prefer to look at God's Nature..." Keepin' our eyes on Jesus...the only way to fly!
"So we are changed too... and placed in New Jerusalem?"
Patrick, we become New Jerusalem.
(Rev.21:2, 9-10))
Comments are following from Garnet Gurlz's Zingers, Wednesday, June 17 , Israel's Rights vs. "Cast Out the Bondwoman" ?
"In recent days, we've learned that Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu has agreed to a limited Palestinian state. (I myself was taken aback somewhat when I read this, as Mr. Netanyahu has been repeatedly described as 'hawkish'... [Read the whole article HERE] "
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June 27, 2009 4:05 PM MooPig_Wisdom said... [in comments]
"Which seems to have arrived..."
Ya' think???
"..there may be more time than we think, and it may be that events transpire in a manner other than what we have heretofore believed, or thought..."
Ya' suppose??
..." and since what they stood for was old Covenant, and the physical Promised Land description resides in old Covenant 'territory' language...",
[...]
At this point in your essay I am asking myself... "Has anyone ever asked the question: 'Why do we still today live side by side with third world tribal people?'" [mostly asking this because for instance -- evangelizing Spaniards intervening with those 3rd worlds destroyed them entirely .. with sexually transmutations of a mass destruction level event...] It would be better to never contact those folks... just provide clinics or something...
"dispensationalism... as reducing the Gospel of the grace of God in Christ to an ideology of empire and militarism. It rejects the teachings of Christian Zionism where they facilitate such action and attitude."
My understanding of 'Dispensational' [more or less] it is a method of understanding historical happenings.. good or bad. It sort of objectifies our path to 'Salvation.'.. no? as in what you wrote: "...We are urged to pursue the 'healing of the nations' through the 'gospel of universal love, redemption and reconciliation taught by Jesus Christ.'"
Finished Reading: As usual -- excellent writing and I am third world next to your pen-sive self...
I have two ideas in my head in the back files of the back forty:
1) Jesus is at this very moment a 'anticipatory' groom, he is to return to be married... and in Hebrew tradition, a groom never knows when he will be sent by His Father to go collect his Bride.. so the tension has Jesus chomping at His bit... so to speak.
2) As I look about I equate "end times" as not any end to anything... God is eternal... no? So, how can we expect end times? Are we able to make this decision in our present circumstance, when we cannot even decide on a reasonable timeline? ...; I prefer to look at God's Nature... almost every form of life, goes through transformation, transfiguration, or metamorphosis in its travail toward "meaning and hope.." So too we go? So we are changed too... and placed in New Jerusalem?
3) [did I say two? sorry] And when God the Father Almighty "chose" the Hebrews, my understanding is that is because Hebrews were an obnoxious rabble of rastafarian, self-willed, trouble makers, and Hedonist complainers... though hardworking, that "if God could organize and turn this rabble group to Him... then all the people of earth shall find their way back to Him; ABBA...
4) [ibid] and only when all the peoples of earth have heard the Good News of Jesus Christ, then shall He return... as a Groom that is.
Holy Cow -- who rattled my cage?
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June 28, 2009 10:48 AM Christina replied... [in comments]
In response to my words preceding "Ya' suppose??" -
Having no proof whatsoever, I've pretty much always felt that the 'Rapture' concept may not be the way things go down. Two close Christian friends from my past, w/o me ever mentioning this, both said the same thing. And, on TV, Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel, Ark. expressed such belief,years back. So...that one verse, about being 'caught up' has morphed into a whole culture practically. (But of course, I do not know the truth for sure.)
Re/your 3rd.comment - somewhere around here I have a book abt Columbus, the New World, etc. & that point was made, how disease was brought to these lands. Which had never occurred to me b4.
As to your two (4!) final comments -
#1 - what a way to see Jesus now! This also would never have occurred to me.
#2 - 'end times' - one of the two above-mentioned friends told me that he believed that 'end times' refers to the actual end of the influence of law. Grace will reign. I am right there with that one! (You can see why satan would fight so hard to keep law in all forms operative.)
#3 - "I prefer to look at God's Nature..." Keepin' our eyes on Jesus...the only way to fly!
"So we are changed too... and placed in New Jerusalem?"
Patrick, we become New Jerusalem.
(Rev.21:2, 9-10))
2 comments:
Thank you...God bless you.
Hey Big Dave:
Where is your picture? I miss it. Yes, you are welcome, and how to ever stop thinking about our collective existence here on the amazing Mother Earth.
I cannot stop my wee brain from doing all its little processes.
Anyhow, i find out recently a new concern -- my kids are frightened. They are trying to live out their entire lives before 2012 ... yep, new revelation to the grist mill of being a "Dad?"
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