To Big Dave

Dave, you were asking how this all came up ... here at last is some of that gurgling discussion:

Comments are following from Garnet Gurlz's Zingers, Wednesday, June 17 , Israel's Rights vs. "Cast Out the Bondwoman" ?

"In recent days, we've learned that Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu has agreed to a limited Palestinian state. (I myself was taken aback somewhat when I read this, as Mr. Netanyahu has been repeatedly described as 'hawkish'... [Read the whole article HERE] "

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June 27, 2009 4:05 PM MooPig_Wisdom said... [in comments]
"Which seems to have arrived..."
Ya' think???

"..there may be more time than we think, and it may be that events transpire in a manner other than what we have heretofore believed, or thought..."
Ya' suppose??

..." and since what they stood for was old Covenant, and the physical Promised Land description resides in old Covenant 'territory' language...",
[...]
At this point in your essay I am asking myself... "Has anyone ever asked the question: 'Why do we still today live side by side with third world tribal people?'" [mostly asking this because for instance -- evangelizing Spaniards intervening with those 3rd worlds destroyed them entirely .. with sexually transmutations of a mass destruction level event...] It would be better to never contact those folks... just provide clinics or something...

"dispensationalism... as reducing the Gospel of the grace of God in Christ to an ideology of empire and militarism. It rejects the teachings of Christian Zionism where they facilitate such action and attitude."

My understanding of 'Dispensational' [more or less] it is a method of understanding historical happenings.. good or bad. It sort of objectifies our path to 'Salvation.'.. no? as in what you wrote: "...We are urged to pursue the 'healing of the nations' through the 'gospel of universal love, redemption and reconciliation taught by Jesus Christ.'"

Finished Reading: As usual -- excellent writing and I am third world next to your pen-sive self...

I have two ideas in my head in the back files of the back forty:
1) Jesus is at this very moment a 'anticipatory' groom, he is to return to be married... and in Hebrew tradition, a groom never knows when he will be sent by His Father to go collect his Bride.. so the tension has Jesus chomping at His bit... so to speak.
2) As I look about I equate "end times" as not any end to anything... God is eternal... no? So, how can we expect end times? Are we able to make this decision in our present circumstance, when we cannot even decide on a reasonable timeline? ...; I prefer to look at God's Nature... almost every form of life, goes through transformation, transfiguration, or metamorphosis in its travail toward "meaning and hope.." So too we go? So we are changed too... and placed in New Jerusalem?
3) [did I say two? sorry] And when God the Father Almighty "chose" the Hebrews, my understanding is that is because Hebrews were an obnoxious rabble of rastafarian, self-willed, trouble makers, and Hedonist complainers... though hardworking, that "if God could organize and turn this rabble group to Him... then all the people of earth shall find their way back to Him; ABBA...
4) [ibid] and only when all the peoples of earth have heard the Good News of Jesus Christ, then shall He return... as a Groom that is.
Holy Cow -- who rattled my cage?

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June 28, 2009 10:48 AM Christina replied... [in comments]
In response to my words preceding "Ya' suppose??" -

Having no proof whatsoever, I've pretty much always felt that the 'Rapture' concept may not be the way things go down. Two close Christian friends from my past, w/o me ever mentioning this, both said the same thing. And, on TV, Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel, Ark. expressed such belief,years back. So...that one verse, about being 'caught up' has morphed into a whole culture practically. (But of course, I do not know the truth for sure.)

Re/your 3rd.comment - somewhere around here I have a book abt Columbus, the New World, etc. & that point was made, how disease was brought to these lands. Which had never occurred to me b4.

As to your two (4!) final comments -
#1 - what a way to see Jesus now! This also would never have occurred to me.

#2 - 'end times' - one of the two above-mentioned friends told me that he believed that 'end times' refers to the actual end of the influence of law. Grace will reign. I am right there with that one! (You can see why satan would fight so hard to keep law in all forms operative.)

#3 - "I prefer to look at God's Nature..." Keepin' our eyes on Jesus...the only way to fly!

"So we are changed too... and placed in New Jerusalem?"
Patrick, we become New Jerusalem.
(Rev.21:2, 9-10))

Apocalypse and the End Times

Maybe what we Leave Behind is Life
by Pat Darnell


Life is what we Humans do between literal fulfillment's of Prophesy. Huh?
Yes, as found in Torah and New Testament Bibles writings of the Hebrews' trials and tribulations are fabulous prophesy's described in great detail.

I am sticking my neck out; I confess most of my life has been spent thinking I am too smart for all those silly stories.

They must be symbolic, I had thought. Because, a big question has been nagging me, skirmishing in my mind from my very first encounter with Bible Prophesy. What was my first? That's easy -- "'Christ is Born...' while later that year 'Christ is Risen.'"

In all its Books: do these things happen literally, or metaphorically, or is it all symbolic?

You may have heard something about Magog, a pure Red Bull, restoring the Hebrew Language in Israel, growing vegetables and fruits in the desert.

Also, something else about a million troops army marching on Israel, but not before Hebrew speaking people have accomplished rebuilding the Temple.
As might those futurist ideas mysteriously entered your consciousness; they get my ear and linger there; yours too?

Big question leads to big answer, eh? Go figure. Yes, go figure, because it is written in the Word of both old and new Testaments, in great detail. Prophesy fulfillment is impossible to miss while reading your Bible.

Thief in the Night, is a movie presented on God TV, GTV,dealing with our questions.

"We are certainly living in the most exciting era of world history, as we earnestly await the Return of Our Lord Jesus. Over the past year however, the Lord has laid on our hearts a tremendous sobriety concerning the End-Times and we believe that it is so important to the Lord that His people were prepared in their spirits for the shaking that lies ahead and that they are not ignorant of satan’s devices. That is why we at GOD TV are sounding the alarm this month, as we bring you an extensive line-up of End-Time programming. Much of it is sobering – eye opening, but we feel it so important that all of us begin to understand the times and seasons that are upon us and that we accomplish our part in the great End-Time harvest the Father wants to bring upon the earth before the return of His beloved Son. [Rory and Wendy; 2008. Message from; HERE ]

"..We [Rory and Wendy] will personally be hosting a brand new End-Time program ‘Apocalypse and the End-Times’. We’ve had a hectic November in Washington DC after Missions Week, filming and interviewing guests such as Grant Jeffrey, Chuck Missler, Paul McGuire, Mike Evans and many more fascinating guests who specialize in eschatology, so be sure to stay tuned to GOD TV!"

You may have seen my ongoing Parody's of Life and Society at MooPig Wisdom and other places on the internet. Generally I am a hard case to get past in here. I don't go away; like old tires I'm hard to bury, even worse to burn.

I have learned through styles and method of writing just how important prophesy fulfillment is to our understanding things in the material world. Many wise people claim today in January 2009, that a full 80% of Biblical prophesy has been fulfilled literally. Now even a twisted mind has to sit up and notice when accuracies are that incredible. Read on brothers and sisters, read on; and live on free, free, free; and write, write, write.. and believe me, you will smile when you realize it is all true.
(Patrick)